First real case of Discrimination today. 😯

@riasm85 if it were towards her personally I wouldve said "She wants to be treated equal" BUT the key words are "MOST WOMAN" meaning woman NOW want to be treated as an equal to a man. 🤷‍♀️ until THEY feel offended in some way. I was also simply having a conversation with another woman who had commented under MY post to the girl who was just as confused as I was and needed more details obviously I seen she didnt respond right away & in my opinion I could say what I wanted to. 🤷‍♀️

@riasm85 I was just makin sure you didn't think I was part of the second comment. I was just initially agreeing that this post was confusing and/or needed details/clarification. That's all.

@k.d.c.mamma "Like wtf is this b.s .... most woman wanna be treated equal, to a man but when he treats them how they treat another man they wanna yell THIS B.S or cry"...it definitely seem implied. Imo it just felt a bit unnecessary when she hadn't even responded yet lol nothing more to it. Everything's all good👍🙏❤

@leonardsquared I didn't address you though😘 not sure where you got that from boo.

@rayofmysunshine sounds like he was more offended by you knowing your shit rather than him knowing what needed done. He just didnt want to admit he was wrong on his end and you were right so the only way he believed he could settle it is from apparently talking to a man. For idk what reason maybe to actually fight like dumb men do. I'd try and talk with the owner to see if he can hire someone else to work with you guys and let the owner know the gc guy is trying to mess shit up. And give him some advice so later down the road he doesnt need more fixing or re doing so. Some men cant just believe woman are a little smarter with things. No man wants to admit a woman is smarter than them.

@k.d.c.mamma, I didn’t say anything to the owner until he made me feel threatened by saying very defensive ’Why isn’t javier here talking to me like a man’ the way it was said was like fighting words. I’m not putting up with that. He still wants to talk to Jav ‘man to man’. I impress other men in my industry with my knowledge. I was explaining it all very detailed and it wasn’t going to be relayed to the owner. And if we continued to work their house would have been a shit show in the future. We aren’t about that. We do the job right the first time. And if they didn’t have money to do the work we would have suggested to not finish the laundry room and mechanical room for it to be addressed at a later time. We work with our clients and don’t want to screw anyone over. There was no different deal with Javier and the GC, they didn’t talk about anything job related. That was all me. So idk why he wanted to speak to javier like it would change anything, it wouldn’t. My words are Javier’s words, and the other way around. If he doesn’t understand HVAC then he should have let me speak to the client and explain the entirety of the situation. People are more understanding when they are educated about the right way to do things and in the end their house would have been more energy efficient and they would have had an existing system last another 20-30 years. To me, the GC screwed his customer. I walked away from someone that was afraid to address the current situation. He admitted that he didn’t do a mark up on our estimate, not my fault he is doing GC wrong. And then won’t even let me explain it to the owner of the changes. If he gave them cost on our estimate and wanted the owner to believe our gas system was included in that amount is ridiculous and actually offensive to our expertise. Some large companies would have charged $5000 for the gas system I drew. I wasn’t even near that because I am not out to screw people over. It would have been perfect. They were still winning.

@riasm85 lmfao maybe you should read because no where did I state HER feelings or thoughts were bullshit 😂

@rayofmysunshine well that's more better than what you said little by little anyways. Sounds like the other dude was just being rude and mad about you going to the owner. Maybe he felt disrespected by it. Or he wasnt understanding why Javier was talking to him to besides you and wanted him because he made a different deal with him or something. The other guy was just being a dick and in a rage mode . He probably wasnt understanding you in any way after what ever you said to start with to set him off in his mind. Hes just being a huge jerk. I'd just let it go and not work with dude unless you feel it's a legitimate case. Other wise you're just wasting your money.

@riasm85 For the record, I DIDN'T say that. I simply said the post was confusing. Which it was. 🤷‍♀️

@riasm85, seriously.

@k.d.c.mamma goodness smh give her a chance to at least respond before you start calling her thoughts/feelings b.s and what not lol

Ok. So we have done a few jobs for him.

This job I went to alone for the estimate. I built the estimate and sent. It was accepted and I scheduled the work. It was MY job. My SO was my technician on this job. Not the main person.

I bid to extend gas lines and not replace the entire gas system in the original estimate. Walls were up and when we came back there was demo done and we started our job. Things popped up and the estimate needed to be changed or a new estimate with the gas system billed separately. (When I talked to the owner she had said the company that installed the tankless was supposed to help them with the same thing I felt the need to give them another estimate on doing the gas line.)

So yesterday I talked to him about it saying I’d deduct the gas stuff from the original and write a new one up.

I did that. I got a material list to the T! I took the materials and new estimate to him to discuss it. When we talked about it I told him everything and he said it was my mistake I didn’t put it in the original bid and he wasn’t ‘eating the materials’. I had explained that this is something we revisit with the home owner and he told me I wasn’t to speak to HIS customer. As I kept talking to him and explaining the situation he kept asking why isn’t Javier here? Because I am here. I am talking to you about it. Not Javier. This is my job, I did the estimate. I gave him an AMAZING price on this basement remodel. Because we have done work for him in the past. I liked him. Any way. After discussing it over and over again I had pointed out what was in the original estimate and he got super defensive with me and said ‘oh so now your saying it’s my fault. My patience is getting real thin, why isn’t javier here taking to me about this. Javier said....’. I said this is my job and I am handling it. He was really upset and told me that if I didn’t like it I could take my tools. So I left and came back with the work van for my tools. We had already put in two days on this job.

When I got back he wasn’t there. The homeowner was and I explained the situation completely. He was so gracious about it and super understanding on why I was pulling off the job.

The GC came back and got super defensive and was swearing at me. He asked me ‘why isn’t Javier here? Why isn’t Javier getting his tools? Why isn’t Javier here to face me like a man?’ To me, that’s a threat. He was out of line. Then he threatened to keep my tools, so I called the police.

This was my job. My business I am an owner. Javier doesn’t need to hold my hand in situations. This business is 50/50. We are equals.

@leonardsquared yes 😂😂😂 I'm happy for that. Like wtf is this b.s .... most woman wanna be treated equal, to a man but when he treats them how they treat another man they wanna yell this b.s or cry 😂😂

@k.d.c.mamma I had the exact thought process so least it's not just you!

@leonardsquared none of this even made sense lol I had to throw some words in and I still dint understand it. Lol but from what I took by it is dude wanted to speak to Her Man NOT her and she was offended by it 🤔

I just need more details lol sounds normal to me 😂

I'm confused too.

Thank you for taking the time to read my comments. I will review the website and I left a message for an attorney to get back to me. The GC wants the full down payment back, but there’s CUSTOM metal work and 2 days of work we cannot get back. I want to know how to handle this the right way.

@rayofmysunshine You pro-rate it to 2 days labor, deduct materials used and move on. You want to smooth it over and just move on. There is NO point in starting a war over 1 job, you're not going to get along with everyone. This is DEF a "who you know" business. You go pissin off the wrong GC or homeowner, you'll never get another bid again. Just cut your losses and move to the next job.

@leonardsquared and everyone knows that guy is an asshole, they will probably respect you being the bigger person

I have a job that I had been clocked into since 5 a.m., a child to get to wrestling practice, feed, bathe and put to bed. Sorry I wasn't up all night monitoring your responses. Maybe you are a little too sensitive, jeez...

@leonardsquared, Lolol goodness. You weren’t the only one who commented.

@rayofmysunshine ok girl I am not to familiar with your field of work but just make sure this something you truly want to pursue as far as legal wise. I'm not sure if there's necessarily a case but hey there might be🤷🏻 I'm sorry I wasn't much help but I do know that man speaking to you in any way other than a respectful professional manner is not appropriate. All you were trying to do was your job. I hear you. I really hope this all works out🙏❤😘

@riasm85, no worries. ❤️

@riasm85, thank you. Just wanted outside input. And I got it.

*things.

So it sounds like he just wasn't convinced that a woman was the person to talk to. He also very clearly wanted to escalate the situation and knew it would look bad if it was aimed towards a woman, so in that respect you lucked out. If your husband was present, I don't doubt a physical altercation would've happened.

Thankfully you were able to talk to someone else who was more level-headed who understood why you would pull out of this mess.

I'm sorry this happened. Especially since you seemed to get along with him before shit hit the fan.

@deborahjq, if he was convinced that a woman wasn’t the person to talk to then he should have rethought accepting my estimate. He even asked us before what the difference was in a bid vs estimate. Bids are solid, no changes. But estimates are subject to change. Thats why it’s called an estimate. Drywall was up and when it came down number change, that’s how it works. Any contractor knows this.

@rayofmysunshine I agree with you. I think for him in this case, he either didn't understand why the costs had changed (even though you clearly laid it out) or he was trying to get a lower price out of you, and didn't want to have to talk to you about it once things were going south, despite him being the one steering it south.

It just sounds like he had a temper and was looking to get in a fight and figured your husband was the only candidate for it.

Regardless, I'm glad you got out safe and that your husband wasn't present to get involved in whatever he was looking to do.

ESPECIALLY in the construction world, a woman on the jobsite is still new to alot of these Neanderthals. You GOTTA go at em head on to remind them WHY you're on their jobsite....cause your DAMN good at your job!

@k.d.c.mamma "Like wtf is this b.s .... most woman wanna be treated equal, to a man but when he treats them how they treat another man they wanna yell THIS B.S or cry"...it definitely seem implied. Imo it just felt a bit unnecessary when she hadn't even responded yet lol nothing more to it. Everything's all good👍🙏❤

@riasm85 I was just makin sure you didn't think I was part of the second comment. I was just initially agreeing that this post was confusing and/or needed details/clarification. That's all.

@riasm85 if it were towards her personally I wouldve said "She wants to be treated equal" BUT the key words are "MOST WOMAN" meaning woman NOW want to be treated as an equal to a man. 🤷‍♀️ until THEY feel offended in some way. I was also simply having a conversation with another woman who had commented under MY post to the girl who was just as confused as I was and needed more details obviously I seen she didnt respond right away & in my opinion I could say what I wanted to. 🤷‍♀️