Bakers! When making bread do you HAVE let it double before you punch it down and split it?

We let it cool enough to eat then cut it.

I always cut it still warm but not hot, that's when it tastes the best anyway

Ok about the bread...... how cool does it have to be to slice it???

I’ve embraced my background as I’ve grown older.

@pie I appreciate that.

I really didn’t think the name was going to lead to this. Honest.

@vee it’s not the new name lol. I was just throwing it out there because not many know about it. Just food for thought about struggles of other ethnicities

Yes, I know what the Trail of Tears​ is. I didn't respond to that because I was hoping you were joking. I would suggest to not go with that one.

@OP I do know what the Trail of Tears is. Forced relocation from their homelands just like that of my ancestors. Cruel, sad, and unnecessary.

I do hope you are proud of your Navajo background now that you are older. People are always going to think negatively and hold on to stereotypes about groups for as long as we are on this Earth, but we just have to continue to rise above.

@OP I just want to let you know that discrediting your experiences with your skin was not my intention. My personal experiences are what made me so defensive on this post. As someone who grew up with an all light skinned family (I was literally the only one with a dark complexion because I have a different dad) I understand how it feels to be isolated. I definitely don't want ANYONE to feel that way. It truly is not what I meant at all and I apologise for coming off insensitive to what youve been through.

I know it doesn’t change as we grow older. And I agree these are good conversations to have. I try to be open and understanding, I think my fault is that I want the person telling me their point of view to understand my point of view so I rebuttal with emotion more than anything. Although I still am shocked by some comments. Some really made me feel invalid and I really felt they were discrediting my experiences. I grew up hating my skin. And hated my mom for not being with a white man. She will never know my struggle. Yes I am white but I’m not white. I wished I was white too. Most people I know associate Navajo to worthless, sloppy drunks who have no education. So being Navajo wasn’t something I was proud of growing up.

I haven’t heard back from the mods to change my name.

You guys know what the Trail of Tears is right?

@OP I’m glad the conversation has opened your eyes a bit and didn’t make you combative. As Vee said, you have a rich history of your own as you are part Navajo! Hold it close and embrace it fully. It saddens me to hear that you felt like you were being punished because your background was different as you grew up. I know that feeling well, and sadly, it rarely changes as we get older. We just have to be rays of sunshine (pun intended) in a cold, cruel world!

Discussions like this are needed. They shouldn’t always be tabled for when people deem them appropriate. Was OP expecting her bread post to turn into a conversation on race and colorism? Doubtful, but it happened and it has gone well with the exception of a few comments I’ve seen. This is a touchy subject and it always will be. We cannot be the change we wish to see if we continue to have to stifle our feelings when a hard conversation comes about.

That’s very kind of you OP. I think it was the right move. No need to go on with something knowing others felt strongly about it and it’s a simple change ?

TrailOfTears to controversial? I kid, I kid.

Lol I’m not H&M. And there’s only bread here.

I'm glad the discussion helped you understand rather than make you defiant. I don't doubt at all that you've faced racism and even colorism before. People are awful and cruel and disregard others feelings. Thank you for not contributing to it. Embrace your culture! You have a rich history behind you.

Oh and the bread. It’s in the oven looking PERFECT! Getting all golden brown in top! No pun intended. It’s what the recipe says to look for. Lol

When H & M got slated for their offensive monkey advert, they took it down.

You've offended people, and if that wasn't your aim, then why not change it?

So while you hopefully mull it over, back to bread.... I can't bake at all, but I can make a lovely banana bread. No advice, but hope yours comes out nice.

Edit: I didn't see your comment. Happy you're changing it ?.

I understand where pie and queen are coming. This lesson on what ‘dark’ skin to means to others. It doesn’t change how I see it or how I’m still treated to this day. I’ll change my UN.

My family is white. My dad was adopted into a white family. I grew up in a white Mormon community. I’ve always felt like a circus act and felt like I was pushed to be religious so god would forgive me for my skin color. Sorry if my new name offended.

At Phoebe exactly. It was like saying your skin isn't the right color to have this username but I can be offended by your username because of the color of your skin

Eta and I'm not saying that's what anybody here was saying specifically it's just that's the way that it came off to me

I really would like to know if it would be offensive if the word “dark” were replaced by the word “brown” in her username.

@queen I see. I do think it would have been easier to stomach comments from taken-aback parties if OP was not discredited for her skin not being “dark enough” to claim it as “dark” by those same people

Regular bread or cheesy bread?

Cheesy bread is pretty tasty!

@mhbb of course I am proud to be a woman, but I will always be a black woman, and it’s a sense of pride for me. I’ve been looked down at and looked over for many things in my life just because I am a black woman, and it took me a little bit to be comfortable with exactly what I am. It’ll never change. I’ll go to the grave being the black woman that I was born as and I’ll always be proud of it. If I died and was give a choice to come back, I would choose to be a black woman again.

The color of your skin is not who you are.

A queen I can kind of understand what you're saying but I also feel like too much emphasis is being put on the color of her skin. yes you're a proud black woman but you wouldn't you be a proud woman even if you weren't black?

@mhbb I don’t look past color. I see people for who and what they are both internally and externally. I don’t want my color to be looked past as I am a very proud black woman. I love the skin I’m in, and I love for it to be noticed.

@phoebe I would still be taken aback by that name and given the chance to comment on it, I would explain my position calmly as I have on this post. I haven’t called for her to change her name, I’ve just simply stated that it’s off putting and controversial. Had a friend who had the username of “THICKthighsCHINKYeyes” at one point, and I talked to her about how that name was messed up as well. I’m just having a conversation that I felt I wanted to have with the OP and engaged with others as I’ve been addressed.

@pie yes. I’ve been told that personally. I just think this arguing over who is darker is ridiculous.

ETA @pie btw it was more like “wow you’d be a lot prettier if you had lighter skin”

If we as a people are supposed to be able to look past color to the actual individual why does it matter if she has a username that doesn't go with her skin color?

As @queen said colorism is VERY real. Ever been told " Wow you're really pretty for a dark skinned girl"? As if your skin complexion isn't good or pretty enough?

I'm not here for a debate or argument. I'm personally just taken aback. I took the UN as mocking/joking so I stated why.

Ok, would it be any less or more offensive if the username were @brownskinnedwhitegirl?

Considering you’re a regular on this app and aren’t going anywhere, I believe you should take into consideration how your new UN is offensive to certain others and change it.

Some angry ass women on this thread.

I also wouldn’t say that struggle because of skin color is the same. Colorism is real and I’ve been a witness to it my entire life. I’ve seen my lighter skinned black friends and family treated better than I was, I as a brown skinned woman have been treated better than my dark skinned friends and family, it’s a vicious cycle.

@queen I apologize if you feel I was intentionally downplaying your feelings or intelligence bc that was not my goal.

You’re right, you’re entitled to your opinion and I to mine. I think someone who is going to tell OP she shouldn’t have her UN bc it’s offensive is a little steep.

Anytime I didn't let it double in size or rise as long as it's supposed to the bread does not come out the way that it should.

@pie why in the world are we really trying to classify and segregate struggles experienced by diff groups of people?

STRUGGLE BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR IS THE SAME STRUGGLE

@phoebe I can be offended by more than one thing in the world. Just because I’ve been taken aback by this name and have a strong opinion about it doesn’t mean I can’t be offended by other things going wrong in the world. Please do not try to downplay my feelings or my intelligence. It’s pretty rude of you.

Bread must be good for 50 comments lol

@PPs If you're having trouble with your reading comprehension, I explained that comment in another comment.

I think OPs choice in UN is insensitive and I stand by that.

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@queen, she is darker than other white people. That’s what her name is saying. It’s a degree of shading. If someone is going to get offended, there are bigger issues in the world.. and seriously, it’s taking something way to personally.

Now. If her username was @thankgodimnotdarker that would be completely offensive.

@phoebe how exactly am I reaching though? I’m simply explaining where I’m coming from and where many folks I know would come from as well if they were privy to this conversation. She isn’t dark skinned. Looking at a picture of her doesn’t make me think “wow she is dark skinned” it just makes me think she’s mixed with something and she’s got olive skin.

Exactly nmarti

I'm not offended, I'm just here to see what all the b**** ing is about.. carry on

@phoebe what do you not seem to be grasping within this conversation?

@queen I really think you’re reaching.

My family is ALL diff shades of browns and olives and whites. I am not as dark as my uncle who is always mistaken for African American. My entire family on my mom’s side were ostracized in Oklahoma in the 60s for having dark skin. I consider myself to have dark skin AND I have had many people be racist toward me because they “didn’t know what I was.”

White girls with dark skin get compliments for it. I'm always told my skin looks great in the summer and the darker I get the more people compliment me. Black women have it the opposite way. The darker they are the worse people treat them. Just because there's some percent of you that isn't white doesn't excuse you from recognizing that you will never experience what they do. You are complimented for the same thing they are ridiculed for. They are here telling you what the problem is and you got your back in the air about it. You don't seem to understand colorism. Do better.

I’m just here for the comments

@OP it’s not as simple as dark skinned just being those that aren’t white. That’s asinine and a slap in the face to those who truly are dark skinned and are shamed for being such. It’s a punch in the gut to black folks and Afro-Latinx for you to say that.

So................

How about that bread?

Oh dear. Seriously!? She identifies as dark skinned!!!! For all you know everyone in her family is whiter than copy paper. I don’t get it.

Who even said that??? You are not even TRYING to understand so I'm done trying to explain.

Queen, I really didn’t think it would cause controversy.

So my brown doesn’t count.

When I think of dark skin, I think not white.

@OP but the thing is mama, you’re not dark skinned. At all. @IDW2BAP is dark skinned. I’m brown skinned. The name just feels like you’re mocking something that we have to deal with our entire lives. You’ll more than likely never be told that you’re “pretty for a dark skinned girl” like we would. That’s why the name is shocking and stings. It’s a struggle you’ll never relate to, and I wish you would have thought of how dark skinned women on this app might possibly feel before coming up with your new name. You like a song, but I just still feel like your name is inappropriate and you knew it would be controversial once the right sets of eyes saw it. Those are just my feelings about it.

I'm not discrediting anything. I just said you can not claim the struggle of having dark skin because you dont have dark skin. That's not discrediting, that's fact. Just like I can't claim the struggle of being mixed because I'm not mixed.

Now that you know it is an issue and that it's offended a few people, are you going to change it? I liked rayofsunshine better as well. This one is kinda jarring to me and I'm white so I can't imagine it's something worth keeping.

Ok, discredit my struggle being mixed. Because people of other ethnic backgrounds don’t experience racism, ever.

@queen I’ve never heard the term used in that way. I’m also not from the south.

To be honest I didn’t think it would be an issue. I’m a mixed chick. That’s it. My mama is white as white can be and my dad is dark skinned. I don’t even look Navajo to most.

As far as the song goes I just feel I can relate.

You don't get to claim the struggle of being dark skinned. Sorry. This is a life I live EVERY DAY. A life my children have to live. Since I was a child, I was made fun of for my darker complexion. Hell I've been made fun of on this very app for having dark skin. I used to WISH I was a white girl. You wouldnt last even a second in my skin. So yes. I'm offended that you think it's cool to mock and joke around about having dark skin. I couldn't care less about the song. How the mods let you get away with this is beyond me. Don't care who thinks I'm being sensitive. If you don't know the struggle, your opinion is invalid ??‍♀️

My hubby is a baker and i have no idea about how to make it. Im just sitting back with my ?considering changing my name to @caramel.coloured.half.cast.aboriginal or is that not quite specific enough???

Ok I was going to understand your new UN when you said you're part Navajo but then I clicked the link to the song and it's exactly what @Queen is saying.

I like your old UN better

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Sunkissedwhitegirl

#thanksflorida

My new un will be Jloglow ?

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I don’t know shat about making bread. I’m just here for these comments.

Serious question. How does one think that this username would be appropriate in any way, shape or form? I get you've stated why you chose it, but did you not actually sit back and think about its repercussions? Did you consider others? Or did you do the typical 'I give no f*** s' BS? Genuinely curious. ?

@dandelion only if I can be “PastyAssWhiteGirl”

I need some sun ☀️

@serena by saying the comments are "ridiculous" you are basically down playing our opinions and how we feel. Or at least that's how I took it.

Lol @vee. ?

Let's all change our names. I'm going to be "BlotchyFreckledWhiteChick"

I agree user name is odd.

I’ll do that. ?? but for now, I’ll keep it.

Funny I always thought you were Hispanic ?

@OP I’m sure someone will say or think I’m being sensitive, but “dark skinned white girl” seems like mockery or something that a certain caliber of white woman in the south thinks is cute to say about herself because she hangs out with a bunch of black women. It smacks of “well all my black friends say I’m just a dark skinned white girl!!” followed by a giggle. It’s just a very stark change from “rayofsunshine” to “darkskinnedwhitegirl” and took me aback when the name popped up on the timeline.

@pie who said you weren't entitled to your opinion?

Yeah maybe you should ??‍♀️

I agree, odd choice of names. I'm changing mine to OliveUndertoneCaucasian. As far as the baking is concerned I always go exactly by the book with it.

Maybe next time I’ll make a poll on a new username. ?

@skate it’s called ‘Basic Homemade bread’. Made with unbleached all purpose flour.

I went through a few packets of yeast before I got it to active ? finally got it on the third try. But the dough is now in tins for the second rise. I’ll babysit it. The recipe says to let it rise an hour or 1/2-1 inch over the tin.

@serena you're entitled to feel that way just as we are entitled to feel how we feel. That's the beauty of opinion.

@diana she was rayofsunshine.

What was your old UN?

Lol

Same reason I felt like making bread?

These comments are ridiculous ?

I don’t bake bread but your new username causes this face- ?. I don’t know why you felt the need to change it.

Thanks skate! I’ll let you know how it turns out.

I’m Navajo and white. Plus it’s one of my favorite songs.

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Oh and be aware that time is just a guide. Hydration percentage, type of flour, type of yeast, and room temp can impact rise. Doubling can take less or more time than a recipe specifies. Even if you’re not quite doubled but you want to get it in a tin to bake, you’ll be fine as long as it’s close. I get impatient sometimes too lol

I'm just going to not beat around the bush. Your username is fuxxing ridiculous. And no, I'm not sensitive nor have I been to the beach lately, it's just ridiculous.

Technically No, you don’t have to get exactly doubled. Some recipes you can skip the first rise all together. I tend to avoid those recipients as it can mess with the gluten formation, and flavor. It’s honestly better to slightly under rise than over rise. Rising allows more gluten formation and flavor from the yeast, but under rising isn’t all that detrimental. If you over rise you can break the gluten formation, but it would be very difficult to do during the first rise. Second rise you want to make sure you don’t rising too long. If you do to much more more than double, the gluten can’t hold it’s structure and you’ll end up with a big air bubble, at the top, where the crust will seem to disconnect from the loaf. Getting the rise perfect is a bit of a science so don’t be bummed if you under or over rise. Still yummy, but it’ll look a bit weird lol. What kinda bread are you trying to make?Sounds like you’ve got a good start.

Yes it has to double for any kind of ever made. And I agree that's an interesting username. What does it mean?

I'm curious as to how you came up with your new UN actually?

I don’t know a thing about baking bread, but that’s an interesting new username.