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Pp From a biological perspective you cannot limit this discussion to a person's genitalia as that does science a disservice. We know that the transexual brain is quite unique in its substructures, which provides evidence that identifying yourself as an opposing gender (as in this case) is thoroughly backed up by the physical structure of your brain. Your genitalia is merely an afterthought.
We are lucky enough in this day and age, to be able to map the brain sufficiently to show that when people identify as transgendered, there's clear evidence as to why within their brain.
I'd implore you to read more about the transexual brain and it's uniqueness
Phoebe- I have a serious question bc I want to know if you would feel the same way if God created your child with a disease/illness would you fight to cure the disease or accept that this is the way God wanted things??
I am genuinely happy for this couple. This doesn't affect me at all. I love seeing people happy and more power to them.
I found it interesting that the article started off by saying this person was "assigned" a female gender at birth as opposed to saying the person was "born a female". Why that specific verbiage??
Either way it shows a definite sex from ten beginning. If the person was "assigned", then who assigned it? If they were created, then there is a Creator and what the Creator says is right or wrong is final and any different feelings would be null and void. That's all I mean by saying right or wrong and I acknowledge it is based on my world view which I am not imposing on anyone.
As for my children, they are innocent and I get to decide how to raise them. I don't want them to see a "man" carrying a baby as natural bc it isn't and that's my decision. I don't mind answering curious questions at all bc that's how we all learn.
Anyways, I do not find anything incredible about this story. I am thankful for another precious life being brought into the world. But like another pp said, it's a normal every day occurrence bc this isn't a man, she's a woman. What I do find incredible is how HARD a society will have to manipulate original design to fit whatever a person wants to change. I find it incredible that God created such an intricate reproductive system that cannot be fabricated by human hands and placed into the opposite sex.
I don't understand why it's offensive to say someone is a male vs a female based off of genitalia. That is the biological definition of male vs female. You can be whatever and whoever you want to be, I am very pro LGBTQ rights and I think everyone should have equal rights. But biologically there are differences in males and females...it's science, it's the law of biology, it can't really be argued. Not saying that's what should DEFINE you as a person or individual but it's truth. If you go to the hospital unconscious and they see you have a penis they will assume you are a male and vice versa. It's not offensive...it's reality. I don't get why people get so up in arms about genitalia.
One of the articles I read said that he had to hide his bump in public so that he wouldn't get rude stares or questions. It is one of the happiest times for them as a couple and I'm happy for them, being able to grow their family and being able to have a biological child.
If you are defining a man or woman by the type of genitalia/reproductive system they have, then you are the reason that we as a society cannot move forward to acceptance. Did you know that there were/are native tribes and those in other countries who actually have a classification for a third gender? This is nothing new and it does not shape the way you as an individual live your life. And if your issue is shielding your children from something that "isn't right" as per your religion so you don't have to answer curious questions about things that you are too ignorant to answer yourself, then you really don't understand the dynamics of Christianity or whatever you call yourself.
And to the pp who said that one Rachel chick is getting a lot of shat for saying she's black but this isn't an issue, well there's a huge difference. What she's doing is appropriation and is extremely offensive.
No one is picking or choosing how they should live. Op asked for opinions!
I agree with beauty... She choose to have surgeries to become a man. This is nothing compared to a person being born infertile or having hysterectomy for medical reasons!
As a woman who has gone through infertility and know others struggling, pls dont compare it to transgender having elective surgeries! Women who cant carry a child didnt choose it.
As simply said .. males dont carry children, only females do. All babies born have been carried by a woman.
I dont find anything wrong with this. If it makes them happy then good for them. I should say though that this isnt a man carrying a child. Its a woman. Yes she identifies as a male and should be called whatever she identifies as but when it comes down to it its still a female carrying a child. She deserves respect in her choice of being a transgender but i dont get why it's such a big deal that she's pregnant. This has happened before and the media always makes a big deal out of it. Ill be shocked the day science can actually get someone who was born male pregnant. Itd be great to see dh pregnant?
Why does anyone care if he can "pick and choose" what part man he is and what part woman he is? I dont care if he can carry a baby, has a penis, his names jim, he identifies as a man and he has half a tit... who cares he can do whatever he wants, thats why hes a pregnant man and thats great and dandy!!
This is awesome!
I don't really see why it matters that he changed his sex from female to male and then decided to have a child.
Maybe, just maybe, people don't have to stick to gender rules all the time. Maybe using an organ that's already in your body to produce a new life is exactly what he should be doing.
I mean, you identify as male but you want a kid, you have a uterus so why not produce said kid?
She isn't a man plain and simple. A man CAN NOT get pregnant, carry a child and give birth. So she can say She identifies as a man blah blah blah as much as she wants, truth is she a woman, she is pregnant just like the millions of other women around the world.. move on nothing to see here
I can't say their feelings are flawed, I don't know what it's like to live day to day in their lives. To them, they are very real.
But I can agree with Emmy.
He was born a she with female reproductive organs. The way The Who we are referring to, intended it to be. The Who intended for this person to bear a child and bring into this world. Regardless of how they choose to look, or how they want to be identified as in this life. The Who had a plan and it is being fulfilled. If that's how you choose to see it.
For as long as I've been here I've come to the defense of the LGBTQ community in pretty much every discussion that has been had. I don't mind that this person is pregnant, it is exciting for them to add to their family. Babies are a blessing.
But this quote does not sit right with me:
"I just happen to be a man who is able to carry a baby."
No. Because he *was* a woman and still has the equipment to carry a baby is why he is pregnant. It is not a a coincidental power that men have. It is owed to being a woman. Fertility and pregnancy are inherently woman. When you see how devastated many women that struggle with fertility are you see how much it is a calling to us (albeit not all and that's okay.) It is part of us. It's hardwired in. Nothing wrong with admitting that.
Now, I'm cool with this couple doing whatever they want to do. It does not affect me, more power to those seeking happiness.
What I'm not cool with is the flippant attitude that comes with a man writing off womanhood while being pregnant, disenfranchising women... but nothing new there...
I think that women in general are more accepting of those different than us, but sometimes in our pursuit of tolerance we give ourselves the short end of the stick.
@tee I'm defining normal as what is normal in most mammals. Humans are not sea horses. But perhaps I should say my definition of normal in this case is also original design. So obviously I'm coming from a specific world view. And from my world view the "Who" who says what is normal is the God who created it all.
Who's to say what's "normal"?
Male sea horses carry the babies ??♀️
They are excited and I can't help but feel happy for them. If they have the ability to produce their own child then why not? You only get this life. Good for them for going against societies "rules", especially knowing people will have strong opinions about their personal lives. THEIR lives. All that matters is the child will grow up with love.
I support the community. I have gay friends and family, I have trans friends and I have a niece that identifies as ze gender. I support health and happiness of every human and support being yourself, whatever that means and that's not limited to gender - I mean in all aspects. I think everyone should be their true self and live their life for them and to the fullest.
Even though I feel that way, I do also feel that it is okay for some people to not be okay with this. It's okay for some people to disapprove or dislike some areas in ALL of our lives. That's ok. Our diversity is part of what makes life beautiful so long as you aren't a jerk about having a difference of opinion then I feel it's ok to not agree. There are a lot of religious or personal beliefs that this defies. I can respect other view points. I feel like often it seems like some people try to force others to be okay with things like this.
They're not asking to be applauded for transitioning. This is a human interest piece like the hundreds of others run every day in the news. Trans people deserve representation in the media just like anyone else. CNN found it interesting and ran the piece.
This couple is just living their life. Just like everyone else. They shouldn't have to hide under a rock so people don't have to explain differences to their children.
This isn't any more or less exciting than any other person in the world growing a family. Yeah, carrying a child is an awesome thing, identifying as a man while carrying a baby doesn't really make it more special to me so I don't see the fuss. You can identify as whatever you want, this doesn't make your family growing experience any more exciting than the next person. It doesn't diminish how exciting this is for this couple nor does it diminish how amazing it is for someone else. Whether you become parents through adoption, surrogacy, donors, IVF, any combination of penis + vagina and however the hell you identify... or something I'm not remembering right now, its all amazing. I just don't get why this makes news. Good for them, but I say good for everyone. I mean no disrespect but I just think family growing is a miraculous and amazing experience no matter what the story is. Human bodies are amazing. Period.
I have very strong feelings about people altering what God designed and calling it normal because it impacts my child's understanding of what is biologically normal.
A man having a baby is weird and unnatural. Not beautiful. Never will be.
I understand people have different beliefs and I cannot impose mine on anyone. But I think that is exactly what people are doing when they change their gender and expect people to respect and applaud their decisions.
Edit: ok respect OR applaud their decisions
Why does anyone care, beyond being happy that a loving couple is having a baby? There is no "right" or "wrong" way to be male/female/non-binary, and the sooner we get a grip on that, the better off the human race will be.
Would you tell a teacher they can't change careers because they're tenured? Would you tell a childless-by-choice woman that she can't have a baby because she already decided not to? If a person is doing what feels right and doing it from a place of love, then back off and learn from them, because they have the courage to be true to themselves.
Also, make sure y'all read the article because it's really really sweet ?
@pookie exactly. Their smiles and obvious excitement and joy makes me smile. It's no ones place to judge what one identity's as being or feeling like. As parents, it should be a common goal to want happiness, healthiness as well as providing a child with a loving, nurturing home. I honestly feel like society puts it's nose into things that are not a concern and not our concern. Live and let live as long as no harm is done and there's no harm here.
I've read somewhere that sex reassignment surgery process can be painful, scary, AND expensive. But the results could be amazing for them. I think this is beautiful. Why can't men have the joy of carrying a child? And who's to say he won't get the surgery AFTER the birth of the child/Ren? ?
I agree, wicked. Their joy is palpable. Their picture makes me smile for their happiness.
Congratulations to them and I hope they have a healthy and happy 9 months just as I'd wish any parents to be. Whatever she identifies with or whatever she was born with or "kept" isn't my business and I'm not concerned with it. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. They're obviously excited and happy and want this baby. That is all that matters.
Did I once say that you have to be able to carry a baby to be a woman? No. I understand there are plenty of women out there who can't have babies. But there isn't a man in this world that can carry a baby. My point is if you want to be seen as a man weather you have the surgery or not don't do what only women can do.
Is it weird that I didn't know about the whole transgendered thing till last year. I had no idea how big being born one sex but identifying as the other was going on at the extent that it is. Talk about living in a hole.
ETA the first time I really heard of it was on here when target did the things to the bathrooms
I couldn't care less about what this couple or any other couple who is expecting a child identifies as. It matters zero to my life. My point is that when we start defining women as people who can have children or people with "the parts," we risk alienating women who were born biologically female but don't fit that criteria. That's my point. ??♀️
I met a woman who was transitioning into a man and taking steroids but then stopped to have a baby and had trouble conceiving for a long time. She did eventually have a son (I met her at the children's museum and I'm unsure why she told me all this but oh well) She no longer wants to be a male. She just just dresses like a tomboy.
In the article he says he stopped the testosterone treatments when they decided to try to conceive, pp.
Makes no difference to me either way. To each his own. If David Arquette wants to carry a child more power to him. However, I'm wondering if it's risky because of the male testosterone or steroids or whatever he has had to take to be more masculine? Or If he even has? I'm ignorant on the subject but I'm assuming he's got some type of medication he takes or has taken in the past that makes him actually grow a nice thick goatee. I wonder i if there is more risk of complications in this situation.
But your friend is choosing to alter her reproductive organs, pp. There is nothing that says she has to. She could maintain her male genitalia and help produce a child that is biologically hers and still identify as a woman. She is choosing to alter her body because she feels it's not what it was meant to be. This gentleman doesn't have that associations of genitalia=sex. Neither belief is wrong.
He was born female and identifies as male but never had his female reproductive organs changed or removed, Sarah.
If you identify as a man that's fine BUT a man can not carry a baby. A woman does. Its part of what makes a woman. Having a vagina and bring able to carry children. Man cant. It you want to live as a man I beilieve you should fully do so. Not pick and choose. You want to be see and treated as a man but want to also want to do what a woman can do. Its definitely not fair to the trans women who go on to get the surgery but can never experience that even though they made the full comitment. He didn't make that full commitment so he's still a woman in my eyes.
Eta: I know somebody transitioning from women to man and is having a hard time because she knows she always wanted children but knows she was born in the wrong body. Wants the surgery there for she has to adopt. She's devastated by it. I personally feel like this is a set back for the committee.
They've also adopted a niece and nephew and are raising them as well.
What about it defeats the purpose? He identifies as a male. He wants a child. He happens to have the parts to carry a child. Seems like the best of both worlds to me.
You can touch it, ail. I won't remove the post unless it becomes disrespectful. I know it's a topic with strong opinions.
Identifying as transgendered, and having the money to get the reassignment surgery, and then money to adopt or have a child through surrogacy is completely different.
Wanting to have a family isn't limited to cis gendered people. This couple, no matter how they identify, are creating their family in the cheapest, most efficient way possible. The fact that HE still has his female reproductive organs,means they can have a baby the old fashioned way.
Maybe HE will complete the transition after HE gives birth.
I personally don't understand it, but o don't have to to support it. I see two loving people about to have a baby.