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@bellas being that i had asked this question with the ladies here my husband and i started talking about this and i believe he will probably do a teaching on this subject LOL. The last message you heard was an hour and a half long, poor man he's so long winded it's ridiculous LOL. Then the teachings he's doing right now are about 2 hours long. But he does his studying and follows through with it and tries not to preach or teach on anything until he's done his full "investigation" that's what we call it.
@panzersmom and @ pandalayah there was no point, i just wanted to know how many knew the answer.
Exactly @bellas, i wasn't fixing to go that much into but you did. I made it shorter lol
This is looong bear with me..
About the wise men:
The wise men (or Magi) are tightly connected to the Christmas traditions. Who hasn’t really seen images of the supposedly three wise men worshiping, together with the shepherds, the baby Jesus in Bethlehem’s manger, shortly after his birth? But are these traditions correct? Who were the wise men (Magi)? Were they three? Where did they come from? When did they visit Jesus? What does the Bible say about them?
1. Who and how many were the wise men (Magi)?
Concerning the names of the wise men, these are not mentioned in the Bible. Therefore any names that you may have heard as supposedly being their names are simply traditions.
About their number: though the Word of God tells us that the wise men brought three gifts: gold, frankincense, and myrrh (Matthew 2:21) , it nowhere says that they were also three. What the Bible says is that they were of plural number ("wise men"), which means that they were certainly more than one. How many more, we cannot know since the Bible does not say. However, it can very well be that they were more than two or three since such long journeys were usually organized in large caravans for security reasons.
About the identity of the wise men, the alternative word "Magi" seems to be more appropriate since it is a transliteration of the plural of the Greek word that is used in Matthew 2:1, the word "magos". Concerning the meaning of this word, it is first used for the characterization of a member of a caste of priests and wise men among the Medes, Persians and Babylonians, whose learning was chiefly astronomy astrology and enchantment1. The LXX (ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament) uses this word with this meaning in the book of Daniel (see Daniel 1:20, 2:2, 10, 27, 4:7, 5:7, 11). It also uses for them the word “wise” (Daniel 2:12, 18, 24, 27; 5:7, 8). So, when for example Daniel 5:11 says that Daniel was made "chief of the magicians [LXX: "magoi": plural of "magos"]" it means that he was made chief of this caste of learned, wise, men, the Magi. Apart from this meaning, the word "magos" is also used with the meaning of a sorcerer (Acts 13:6, 8). In our case, it is clear that the wise men (Magi) that came to visit Jesus belonged to the first category i.e. they were members of this caste of learned men (a sorcerer would have never come to worship the Son of God).
2. Were the wise men present the night of Jesus’ birth?
We have all seen during Christmas images of the wise men (Magi) worshiping together with the shepherds the baby Jesus in the manger. As customary as this tradition may be it is not what really happened. We first read about the visit of the wise men in Matthew 2:1:
Matthew 2:1
"Now AFTER Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men [Magi] from the east came to Jerusalem"
According to this passage, the wise men did not arrive at Jerusalem but only AFTER Jesus was born. Therefore, since they stayed there able time for the events of Matthew 2:2-9 to happen (the wise men arrived at Jerusalem and started searching for the child; Herod was troubled by what they said, and called the chief priests and the scribes of the people to ask them where the Messiah was to be born; Herod called again the wise men secretly, enquiring of them to tell him what time the star appeared; finally Herod sent the wise men away to Bethlehem), it is evident that they could by no means be in Bethlehem in the night of Jesus’ birth, together with the shepherds as tradition teaches. Furthermore Matthew 2:11 tells us:
Matthew 2:11
"And when they [the wise men] had come into the HOUSE, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down and worshipped him"
As we can see when the wise men came, they didn’t find Jesus in a manger, but in A HOUSE i.e. in a place where he, Mary and Joseph were living regularly and properly. Obviously, this was not the night of Jesus’ birth but "AFTER Jesus was born" (Matthew 2:1). From this, it can be concluded that after the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary settled in Bethlehem in a house.
Furthermore, as Matthew 2:11 tell us when they arrived in Bethlehem Jesus was no longer a baby but a young child. Concerning the age of the young Jesus during the visit of the wise men, Matthew 2:16-18 tells us that Herod after finding out that the wise men had deceived him and had not come back to report to him:
“he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired [accurately enquired, Gr.: akriboo] from the wise men." (Matthew 2:16-18)
It is important to note here that according to this passage, Herod put the age limit of the male children to two years and under "ACCORDING TO THE TIME WHICH HE HAD DILIGENTLY [ACCURATELY] ENQUIRED FROM THE WISE MEN". In Matthew 2:7, during his interview/interrogation of the wise men, Herod had enquired accurately from them what time the star appeared. By this he came to know the age of Jesus. Thus, if Jesus was born when "his star appeared" in the east", it can be concluded that when the Magi visited him - after which the massacre of Bethlehem happened - he was certainly no more than two years old though not too much less than it2.
To sum it up:
i) The Bible does not say that the wise men were three nor does it mention their names.
iii) The wise men were learned people coming from the East
iv) The wise men did not visit Jesus in the night of His birth. According to the Bible when they visited Jesus, he was not a baby in a manger but a young child in a house and he could even be 2 years old.
Footnotes
1. See: E.W. Bullinger: "A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament", Zondervan Publishing House, MI 49530, USA, p. 887.
2. Otherwise, a different age limit would have been chosen.
I'm pretty sure the number of wise men is not that important to God to have to reveal to us...
I mean He hasn't even revealed Jesus' actual birth date to anyone, ijs.
I believe the most important things for us to know about that time were revealed.
Was there a reason you presented this question?
As you can see it never says 3, its just said wise men! Men is plural for more than one, and there may have been 2, 5, 7, 10 we don't know until God has let us know or lead us to find out many there truly were! =)
Matthew 2:9-12
9 After the Wise Men had listened to the king, they went on their way. The star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them. It finally stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were filled with joy. 11 The Wise Men went to the house. There they saw the child with his mother Mary. They bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures. They gave him gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 But God warned them in a dream not to go back to Herod. So they returned to their country on a different road.
@american, yes your right, no there is no exact number to how many there were. Just wanting to hear what others had to say!
From my studies the Bible does not say how many wise mean, although many believe there were 3.
Scripture tells us that gold, frankincense, and myrrh were the gifts presented by the wise men; that does not, however, mean they were presented by only 3 wise men.
I would like to see your conclusion, along with Scripture references...
@courtney - It's in the four gospels? I'm fairly certain that the birth of Christ is only mentioned in two of the gospels, and the magi are only mentioned in one.
...Just checked my Bible.
Matthew and Luke are the only two Gospels that mentioned the birth of Christ, and ONLY Matthew mentions the magi. It mentions no number of magi, but tradition holds that there were three because there were three gifts.
Yes, the answer is in the bible a few times because its in the 4 gospels. I'm just wanting to hear others responses before I put up the scriptures to reference it! =)
Three