when I'm upset and crying I never get left in a dark room alone and left to cry and comfort myself so why should this apply to a baby?! babies are not manipulative or at our 'beck and call' there our babies who look to us for everything so why shouldn't we as mothers be there. after all being a parent is a 24 hour job every day of the week. obviously as some of you have stated I must be in the category of an 'attached parent' because I most definitely do breastfeed, baby wear, cosleep but I do it all for my lo. women who breastfeed tend to be very passionate about bf and why shouldn't they, it should be the norm and I imagine most of you Ff are too so no difference.

my lo wakes me 2/4 times a night on a bad night, teething, boobie or just for 'playtime' and it can take a while too but at the end of the day she's my baby and I tend to her needs before my own even if I do have no sleep.

no need for the comments tho tbh, we are entitled to share things even if not everybody agrees with it just move along and as for the bf group their a lovely bunch of ladies tbh.

Just a point to make.

Just read this whole thread and it's actually disgrace! Yes. People are entitled to their own opinions but to say it with such force to strangers!?!?!??

It's hard enough being a mum as it is and I can honestly say it has made me feel physically ill reading this! Anxiety through the roof!

gman - I think you need to cool it a bit! I get that your entitled to your own opinion but we are all strangers to each other and what people can say can really affect people in a negative way.

Hahaha x

Anyway my bed is crying and calling my name and just like my children I dont let it cry for long so night ladies ? x

We live in a country where we have the choice to choose between breastfeeding or formula Formula is made for people to use. If it was such a bad thing then it wouldn't be made. You have your opinions but you've really put yourself out there as a nasty person and I know I'm not the only one who thinks that

I think this post has reached it's end

Sorry for offence to anyone but yes life goes on and everyone including myself is able to have an opinoon.

Oh bloody hell your quite boring now! Stop trying to justify what you've said, you've taken it to far and have become offensive to some people. Just leave it now.

Yes it's not rude if it's fact we are as a society influenced by many things. Breasts are sexualised, which causes an automatic negative response to bf in many minds. We are geared towards convenience and fastness I.e formula.

Why does the western world have the lowest rates of breastfeeding.

So yes we are influenced by what's normal to society. The very fact that there are adverts promoting formula but none promoting breast says it all. Adverts that promote junk food but not healthy food???

Couldn't of put it better myself Katie! Xxx

Just read this whole thread - what a disgrace.

This is supposed to be a supportive community for mums all trying to do their best. None of us are perfect and we all have to make choices that we believe are right for our families/individual circumstances.

People have been offended and upset by this tonight and others have taken great pleasure in it.

That's not right.

Live and let live.

How's anyone being hypocritical? Everyone's just stating their opinions it's just some people have a bit more decorum about themselves and present themselves in a more respectful manor

I accept your apology gman ?

Okay I will apologise if I seem insensitive

I have strong opinions on a lot of things

I tend to generalise a lot

However it's apparent their are a lot of hypocrites commenting

Chanel, careful if you give her examples like that she'll give you ten more ?

But there's actually no difference my son was formula fed and daughter is breast fed and can honestly say my son has not had any illnesses accept from the odd cold in the winter and my daughter is the same. He is big and strong and loves his mommy and I love him. Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the most important thing?

Anyway I have got to dash my boy has just woken for a feed (breast ?) and I shall not let him cry for longer than 2 secs

Your calling formula feeding mothers 'influenced' and u don't think that's rude?! Did you find that fact out in your research too?

I didn't make any of you comment on this.. clearly you were looking for an argument or you would of ignored this post

No maybe more informed, less influenced by society, not better.

I wouldn't call it passionate you was very heartless with some of the things you said! I never comment on things like this but just had to! Totally out of order.

I am certainly not causing trouble here, because there is no smoke without fire ???

But the other day this was brought up about 'daring' people to post certain things on the uk group, why bother? Does anyone actually laugh at that joke? ?

Emma what a little ejit you are.

I know most of u must think I'm rude or over opinionated, I call it passionate

But I sincerely promise you I'm not in this breastfeeding group would like to be because they are clearly more akin to my mindset

Please don't let Emma cause trouble for other ladies from that group

We are not affiliated

But if someone wants to formula feed Gman that's their own choice and they'd have their own reasons. Do you think breastfeeding makes someone a better mother then ?

Gman you should of done a # with your 'sorry not sorry' would of sounded much cooler ??

I share *nothing on Facebook

I wasn't trying to cause trouble at all. I didn't make anyone comment on it. You commented on it so why am I the one causing trouble when your all slating me for being brave enough to post something I believe in? It's just funny that I get this reaction yet like I said earlier..how many of you share stuff on facebook that has nuffin to do with you?

There's giving an opinion and being rude.

I see that same post reposted on different groups.

Unfortunately it's turned nasty.

Every mum is doing s good job but when a mum does something different to someone else we thinks it's wrong.

If your happy to do cc then do it, if your not don't.

Breastfeed or formula feed, I don't care.

All people can do is advise if someone asks for advice.

Cheer up ladies and just think you have a gorgeous little family. That's what matters!!!

Sugar plum, so she's posted this as a joke to cause an argument?? Xx

I have an opinion on formula which I have concluded from research from various viewpoints, I won't apologise for that, like I said there is a need for it but it's used far to often, by people who won't even try bf, who yes I do judge those women

Sorry not sorry

Well thank you Emma ?

Woooowwwww !!!!????? actually can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here !

I personally couldn't sit and listen to my baby crying without going to comfort them. I have two children under two and any time they're upset I'm there whether I'm sleep deprived or not because I gave birth to them it's my duty to make them feel safe and secure not upset and alone.

I don't have anything against anyone that does this method but personally just couldn't do that

I don't know how it esculated to talking about breastfeeding either that's got nothing to do with it. I breastfed one and formula fed the other and guess what ???? I love them both just as much as each other and they love me exactly the same amount !! Shock horror !!!

No one single person on here is better than anyone because we all have our own different ways of handling things and coping and teaching our own children, just like our parents would have. People just need to accept the fact that everyone is different cmon ladies.

Hannah!!!! ??????

You lot are truly pathetic. S n***** ing in your boobie group... Well done you! You aren't supportive, your mummy nazis.

Yeah Freya was trying to cause trouble! Chelseah89 just so you know I love you ha ??

Also gman two wrongs don't make a right! If someone 'personally attacked' breastfeeding it doesn't mean you should do the same on formula.

Your the one who brought it up Gman so I'm giving Naomi my experiences which I'm sure you would do too, as we can see ?

Why didn't you just keep it in the breastfeeding group then? Looking for a argument? ???

I was told not to post it cuz I'd get this reaction but it doesn't bother me! And yeah I find it funny that it's had this kind of response! I ain't hiding nuffin

What the actual...how mature all you ladies are..shame I don't breastfeed or plan to so I can be all cool and dare people to do stuff ?

Honestly I'm not

Like I said before I brought it up and someone made a personal attack on bf mums.

When I'm saying the benefits of bf I'm speaking in general terms like 8/10 etc, obviously genetic and other environment factors play a role

Please don't go there with such and such was bf and has this that and the other because for everyone u know I know ten use versa

Errrrr excuse me sugar plum. But I'm actually still in the BF group as I thought when I have another baby, I would like to BF again and I can see you all having a good old laugh about it in there... Daring each other to post it?

@Emma I wasn't dared too! I believe in what it says and chose to post it on here. It's alright for stuff not related to babies at all to be posted but I post this and look what happens..

You are already in it love ?

Just stop calling other people bad mothers! Unless you have been with them and seen them actually be bad mums in person then you can't judge them on a couple of posts and comments that are usually used as vents for built up emotion!

Haha @Naomi, my sister was breastfed and has allergies, IBS, asthma and got loads of different childhood things when she was a baby! I wasn't breastfed and have nothing. It's definitely 100% amazing for babies no doubting that but people can't say formula fed babies get ill because of not being breastfed xx

Can someone invite me to the breastfeeding group please?

They'll be eating bits and bobs they drop on the floor by 1! I wouldn't worry about it girls ?? kids are dirty lil buggers x

Honestly ladies why are you playing into their hands? They are practically all laughing about it in the breastfeeding group!!! The only reason it was posted because someone bloody dared her too ??

If someone told me it was unnatural I would ask them to prove it because anyone with a brain cell knows that formula feed ing is what is unnatural.

However in cases like the lady that I'm sorry to of upset, her case very beneficial. Which is what it's original intended purpose was.

I applaud any woman that tries and has a go.

Allot of women are just to influenced by society, see them as sexual or not prepared for the hard stretch to even try, that is what's wrong. Deciding to ff before attempting bf.

And by the way I don't run myself ragged and I've never let my baby get distressed

I'm going to sleep now ladies as up early to get me and my Prinny ready for work and nursery where she'll go and pick up more bugs because she wasn't breast fed ?? xx

This isn't about breastfeeding. It's about someone posting something and it getting out of hand. A lot of people have said that they have not done it but each to their own.

@mama I get ur annoyed as I know your story with Harry and as I said every baby is different. No one is criticising anyone else. You should never feel guilty!

gman I think I speak on behalf of all of us when I say shut up. And no I'm not insecure about my decisions before you try and become a physiotherapist on me, I just think your being very rude so that's what your going to get back. Yes everyone's entitled to their own opinions but like I said your being rude and taking it to far!

Ok then ?

If a mum came up to you gman and said that you bf was wrong and unnatural what would you think?

I'm guessing you'd think "piss off, it's my baby, my body and in doing what I think is right"

So maybe you should think the same when you slate mothers who formula fed.

So what your running yourself ragged with no sleep and manage to produce some boob milk... So have I, but I don't need to tell everyone how great I am. (Which I am by the way)

Just be respectful of every mothers choice. I'm sure every baby here is well loved

Yea but breastfeeding protects ur baby from these bugs as its full of antibodies so generally speaking the kids that are usually the ones prone to colds or bugs are ff

I never get involved in arguments on here but this has made me annoyed tonight. I had to give up BF after months of tears and feeling so guilty because my baby had severe silent reflux. From MY 'golden breastmilk'. I did elimination diet one after the other with help from the dietician and HV and never got to the bottom of it. After a while of being on bottles and formula and seeing the dietician, he was a different baby. I have never felt relief like it, to see his contented face after a feed instead of a writhing baby in pain was a reminder to me that I had done the right thing switching him to formula despite me feeling a real sense of failure and loss to stop BF when I had an amazing supply of milk.

Who are we to judge? What's right for you, could be very wrong for me.

Thanks to all the ladies on the BF "support group" for making me (and whoever else) feel like crap tonight through posting this. I love my baby. You love yours. I have left him to cry a bit on occasion, then I will go in - being in there trying to 'soothe' him doesn't always work and he becomes more stressed out.

And that is ok.

Wow this has been explosive

Does blue peter still exist? I loved it when I was young, I always wanted a badge ?

(That's not meant to be sarcastic btw)

She needs both Hun because she's soooooo smart ????

Or a blue peter badge? ?

I am indeed very well educated thank you ? hence why my vocabulary is able to stretch to such strong words ?? I can also see you are very well educated...good for you ?? somebody get this girl a sticker

@sugar plum.. That link made me know for sure I'm not going to leave my lil boy to cry no matter how tired I am!! They are only little for so long then grow up into young men that barely hug their mum!(My brother is at the stage where he stays in his room ignoring everyone)

** so I'm not completely clueless as some people seem to think I am.. I've got two nieces that are 9&10 which I used to look after all day everyday for my older sister(yes I know it's not the same as your own) I've got a 3yo niece and a nearly 3yo cousin plus 9yo lil sister and an 11yo cousin and ive been involved in all of them from birth so not completely clueless for a first time mum (:

This is what annoys me the most

The amount of formula feeding mums or cc/cio mums that equate breastfeeding or attachment parenting wig being some sort of hippy. Absolutely ridiculous that that assumption is made but you are all spitting ur dummies out over a picture with words which are quite true,

Not because I say so but because science and social studies do

Not like anyone cares. As it's just a b**** now!

That the letter in that book! Heartbreaking. I read it when my lb was only weeks old. Couldn't do it!! I spend a month of patting/rocking/singing and putting him down more and more awake as the days went on. Never let him cry. Winge yes. Also he got so attached to Ewan I think it helped. And good naps. X

Mum of two

Lovely language

U must be very well educated to think it's appropriate to use that word

Ok then stalker! It's called catching bugs from nursery which all babies get from nursery whether they're breast fed or formula fed!

Wow...this escalated!! ??

I must say I'm very impressed with the quick witty responses so late at night ladies! x

And I only made a correlation between the two because they tend to go hand in hand generally speaking, u are clearly an exception to the rule which is a shame u have potential

Wow these comments...bunch of c*nts on here sometimes...need to stop judging other mums and crack on with your own kids. Mind ya damn business...

Just goes to show a neglected baby is a smart baby!

I never said it did.....all I said was its not for me because of what I've learnt but each to their own...I know I'm not a perfect mum, I started weaning my lo at 5ish months, she belly sleeps and has done since a few months old and I'm sure there's lots of other things I've done that I probably shouldn't have!

Also I can stand feet, they freak me out so I don't go barefoot!

And this letter? Did they get an actual baby to write it? Or was it written by someone like yourself who doesn't agree with the method ?

Okay dokay. My little girl hasn't suffered from any of those ☺

I think people have skipped the point here ! It's not about formula/breastfeeding as long as the baby is fed who cares really ! It's about leaving a baby to cry themselves to sleep or not !

It's the assuming!!

There's a blurred line between attached parenting and detached parenting.. I breastfeed, I don't co sleep, I use a sling, I use a pushchair!

My point is gman feels her way of mothering is the only right way.

If these mums wants to cc, formula feed, then it's THEIR choice!!!

Just because you bf, don't cc, use a sling doesn't automatically make you a good mother.

Okay research what's in it

Why can u buy fruit and veg covered in pesticides, known carcinogens

Do u really think companies that make money care or the government for that matter

Cows are fed hormones which is in turn in ur formula powder which u give to ur baby

We are the only animal to drink another animals milk

It is not normal and actually why are so many formula fed babies constipated, suffering from reflux, colic, skin conditions, viral infection etc because formula is just dead product that simply suffices to fill a hole

I find it intresting that a post like this gets 100+ comments but when there's a new mum asking a question she's lucky to get two or three answers... (and I'm not on about myself before anyone looks at my posts and says summat)

Clearly the sleep deprivation has got to me and I misread that.....thanks for calling me an idiot makes me feel real good!

Oh here we go chemical formula stories now. If it was that bad for babies it wouldn't be available to buy you moron!

Oh seriously? The irony is killing me!!!

Why do u think many cultures baby wear because it's actually very comforting to baby to be close, why do our closest related mammals apes do likewise

Hey I breastfeed and wore my boy in a wrap and like being barefoot (who bloody doesn't!) don't make me Mother Nature! If u don't agree with the post. Ignore it!

Yes I am just doing what nature intended. My baby is not constantly on my breast but yes quite frequently but rather than the chemical crap that formula is

I am a breastfeeding mother you idiot ???

So it's not ok for gman to 'judge' you Georgia but you can judge breastfeeding mothers? That comment was really uncalled for!

8 hours? Some of us have a full time job as well... None of this time for baby nonsense!! So i shall be up at 6am latest to ensure those pesky children of mine are fed, watered and let out of their cages...

Right Ladies who liked her comment hey!

Naomi

I had already gathered that

I've been told I'm naturally funny and quick witted..I don't regret anything I've done with my lg I've done what I've thought best and she's the most funniest (like her mother clearly) happy confident little girl I just think when people like you come on here and try and belittle a fellow mother is just plain wrong your no better than anyone else or here..

Yes you wicked wicked mummies! You must all be perfection like gman, and have your babe against the breast continuously, using slings, and being barefoot. Your baby must never be alone, and you must be determined to go bald and insane before trying any of this barbaric methods ??

Jamie take it u bottle fed, as u have already said u couldn't leave ur child to cry

My opinions may be controversial and cause people to take an instant dislike to me however if u may see a lot have like my comments therefor I come to the conclusion I am not alone in my controversy

I formula fed too ??

Chelsea I take it u think u ur rather funny and use it as a defensive technique

Vmd1990

I applaud women like u, a brain in their head and will do research before implementing cruel techniques to satisfy their own needs ??

Gman is just trying to piss people off its hilarious she thinks anyone cares ?

Haaaaaa that better not of been about me your last comment mother Theresa..