My William was is very similar to this , I know how you feel it's so tough. About that age it completely gave up on the cot. And will just co slept. It was still crap sleep as he thought he was at the all you can eat buffet and would wake up close to 8 times. A night for me to give him more boob but I'd only have to semi wake up to give him a nipple.

I was hanging out for sleep school. Sleep school came and didn't really do anything for us. Now he is one he still only sleeps with me but Iv shut the boobie buffet. He gets a feed before bed and none until the sun comes up. First couple of nights he would lay next to me and cry but I would say to myself he doesn't feel abandoned because I'm laying next to him . Now he only wakes once a night. I still don't feed him and he only grizzles for about 10 mins. I feel like I'm sort of getting somewhere.

Yep it's nothing compared to some mums who are blessed with babies who are on scheduled ,

Just hang in there mumma. It won't be forever. I hear you !

Good luck honey xx

Thank you mim! I will look into it ?

Macca there is a place in Newcastle I think Wallsend? Called first steps parenting. They are like tresillian but free and can come to your house and help you. You need a referral from your doc or health nurse but I would definitely try them while your waiting for tresillian!

Try to remember that the first year are lots of phases. Once you think you have it figured out, they change!

We coslept with our first. He was high needs and any amount of crying would just make for one stressed out baby. The only thing I regret is guilting myself over cosleeping. It was simply the best choice for our child.

At 3 - he is fantastic at bed time (tells us at 7 that it's time for bed) and has slept in his own bed since about 18 months old.

Just do what feels right and what works for bub. Boob is not just food. Fulfilling your childs emotional needs are just as important as fulfilling their physical needs. The milk meg has some awesome info on facebook about breastfeeding and sleep.

If I don't let him have an afternoon nap then he's even more of a nightmare to get to sleep at bedtime ?

I think I'll just look into different methods and find what I think will work. We're going away next week so I'll just deal until after then ?

Thanks ladies xx

Make sure he doesn't sleep after 3.

Macca my daughter was like this - from 7months 6 weeks straight she was a nightmare at night.

I ended up putting her in bed with me as she wanted my Breast all night.

I learnt to cope by sleeping with her.

i bet u are tired n frustrated lol i dont blame u. my son slept bad during the day n my second slept bad at night but witj her it was what i ate at dinner. it made her scream through the night.

i hope u get some rest. not that it helps but it doesnt last forever

We did midwife caths sleep routine and 'controlled crying' and it worked for us.

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Can you pump and your partner can then do at least one night feed? I know how hard it is. My baby was a terrible sleeper until 15 months and he started sleeping right through.

I highly recommend tresillian. Worked wonders for us!

I won't swap to formula - I just tend to say things when I'm tired and frustrated haha. Breastfeeding is free ?

I can't sleep during the day ? and if I do I wake up in a s*** ty mood.

He's absolutely fine during the day, so I don't think that it's anything I'm eating? I don't know ?

I was advised not to swap him to formula as he was gaining weight so he was getting enough breastmilk. But everyone gets given differnet advice. I say go with what works best for you and go from there. I was going to a formula bottle only before bed and see how he goes, maybe if you like give that a try and see how he goes.

also when hes alseep do u try and have a nap to, to try and get u through the day.

if u go to formula and thats not the problem then ull be up through the night jiggling and trying to settle in between making bottles.

have u tried a food diary to see if it's anything ur eating

He'll be crying so I'll put his dummy in and he'll stop for maybe 20 seconds then he'll start crying again.. If I pick him up and rock him he'll stop and stay asleep but the second I put him down he'll start crying again.. The only way he'll go back down is if I feed him.

I think I'm getting to the point where I'm considering controlled crying. I'm already not sleeping - so I may as well stay up and have a few hellish days.. ?

We do usually end up cosleeping for half the night because it's too tiring to continuously get up to him but I hate it, I don't sleep properly when he's in bed with me. So either way I'm not getting much sleep ?

DH has 2 jobs - he works 4am-10am (gets up at 3am to leave at 3:30am) then 3pm-10/10:30pm (usually home by 11pm) so he's literally not even there half the night and when he is he's running off like 4 hours sleep so I can't ask him to get up.

I tried to get an appointment and the idiot over the phone told me to call back at 8am tomorrow and ask for an emergency appointment.. It's not an emergency!? And she didn't even offer to book me one - even if it's not for another 2 weeks, ergh!

Have you tried getting your partner to get up to him and try and settle him? So he doesn't smell your milk and want it?

my first was like that. i ended up co sleeping. he would grizzle and i would pop him on and fall back asleep. i know its not for everyone but we both got our sleep

Oh macca I know the exact same feeling! My DS would sleep the whole night through until I feel pregnant.

He now wakes between every 1/2 hr to hour. Sometimes I feed him 18 times a night. I feel like giving up bf but I love the bond just miss my sleep. It is taking a strain on me as I'm tired from no sleep and been pregnant so it's a lose lose situation for me.

Hope little man starts sleeping for you ?.

Thanks Bee! Yep I'm in Newcastle. I might ring and try to get an appointment with our GP. Thank you!

I'd probably speak to your GP. Get a quick check over (ears etc) & maybe discuss tresillian. (You're Newcastle I think too) our closest tresillian is in Sydney & the wait it like 5 odd weeks so best to book early if that's what you want to do.

I'm contemplating going to tresillian atm aswell as trying to get DD 7.5 months to sleep of a night is a bloody mission. I swear I'm dealing with a threenager already ?

Good luck!