Well as far as I read daytime sleep is different from night sleep. And our bodies know, We naturally go into a deeper sleep when night time comes round and become more sleepier. That's what there called lol projector haha. Yeah he loves his. Is there a time in the eve where you think he's more sleepy than other times? Try and go with that one. That's what I did with my boy xx

Oh right @suzie31 Thankyou I have a turtle that projects stars on ceiling will try that. Currently feeding after bath nearly asleep. We will get there Thankyou. And I agree does pay off having a good bedtime routine definitely we had one as kids. Oh so does the daylight not make s difference? Xx

Well it's never too late. Just takes a little patience but it does pay off. It was a bit scatty at the beginning but we got there. For example he's having a bottle now, he'll be awake for a bit or maybe doze a little. I'll check to see if he wants any more milk as he normally leaves a bit. Then I'll put him up, he'll either lie there awake for a bit quite happily then go sleep. Or just be zonked out as soon as I put him in there. I have one of those ceiling light things with pictures going round the room so that's always a winner. I've also read that naturally the human brain reconises the difference between night/and day. It's in our biology. Day sleep is different xx

Wow @suzie31 as if! Wish we started it from beginning really but he was crying. All time and didn't realise it was colic, not an excuse but read somewhere it's best for babies to have routine at 3 months! Oh well it's not too late I'm gonna crack it and start routine from tonight. Does your son fall asleep on his own @suzie31 or do you feed or cuddle to sleep? Thanks I'm needing full nights sleep now lol! Xx

Yeah it doesn't matter what time you do it as long as it's the same. obviously the same time every night at the beginning then when you want him to sleep earlier bring it forward a little etc. and like @suzie31 said, do night time upstairs. not downstairs like a nap or whatever.

Me and my OH started it as soon as we got home. Slept anywhere downstairs for naps. And 7pm every eve goes to real bed in his moses basket. Fortunately it's worked. Now skips his night feeds and sleeps straight through to 5:30/6am. I wasn't to bothered about what times when I had him but my partner was adamant to get him into a routine ASAP and I'm really glad as I get a full nights sleep. Xx

Thank you so much @tuftyturtle didn't know that about the time. So atm he goes to sleep between 10-1 depending on his tummy and when I can settle him so even if I start bath etc at 8:30 and slowly bring it forward it doesn't matter? I guess in time he will get it wont he, I don't expect him to get it tonight. And will that help him to eventually fall asleep on his own?

We just do bath bottle bed at around bedtime. even if they wake a little while later at first you're establishing a routine. I don't bath my daughter every night so on the nights she doesn't bath I give her a little massage then bottle bed. babies have no concept of time lol so it doesn't matter what time you do it , you can start later and gradually bring it forward or vise versa it's just the routine of the actions that they will associate with bed time.